Vulcan Lovers Thread!

[Crystal]

Okay I've been a big fan of Vulcans ever since I first started to get into Star Trek during my teens. (Especially since I used to have a crush on Spock *snort*) So here's a thread for general discussion on Vulcans

But anyway, obviously they are logical beings who pride themselves on the ability to control their emotions (and there's a contradictory of terms right there, LOL).

Obviously Vulcans take the path of logic very seriously, and according to Vulcan history, that path began with Surak, when violence and emotion was literally destroying their world, and so Surak is like their Jesus, and logic became like their religion, so to speak.

And overall, I think the Vulcans can be considered quite spiritual in their own way, simply because they have abilities which can almost be considered supernatural, even though it still applies to the laws of physics and science... or whatever. Mind-melds, the transfer of souls, and apparently since they can transfer their soul--or mind, or conciousness, or however you want to think of it--then apparently they do have some sort of afterlife as well, though it only happens for the lucky Vulcans who have a chance to transfer their essence (or "Katra" as they call it) to someone before they die. I also read somewhere, in one of the Star Trek novels, that the Vulcan Katra gets put into the Ancient Hall of Thought... although I have no idea what that is exactly, or what it would be like to exist there.

Another comment on Vulcans I have is that, well, just like any other sentient being in the universe, they can be hypocrites, and they can even be snobby. Then again, when you're highly intelligent, have the ability to control your emotions, and superior strength and telepathic abilities, I suppose it can be easy for some Vulcans to let it go to their heads.

I also wonder if it's possible there could be sterotype Vulcans... and ones who sterotype themselves. This was sometimes sorta addressed in at least one Star Trek novel, I think ("Spock's World") where Kirk was enlightened by being in a room full of Vulcans, because they looked like people, and they acted like people... and they were all shapes and sizes, really, just like humans--not all of them were tall, lean, and had neatly trimmed black hair.

So I assume that, even though they don't really show it much in the TV series', it most likely means that there are probably Vulcans who aren't *quite* so rigid, and who knows? There might be some who actually allow themselves to smile or even laugh when they're around humans. For that matter, there are probably some who are extremely rigid and logical, and would probably think the slightest trace of emotion is a sign of weakness.

Meh anyway, I think this post is long enough. But well... as you can tell, MEESA LOVES VULCANS!

[Ki Adi Mundi]

I like the idea of Vulcans. They remind me of Jedi, in a sense. Then again, they are also the most devious, aside from Romulans, creatures in Star Trek, IMO.

I am a Tuvok fan, myself.

[Wasturr]

The main reason for Spock being such an interesting character is because he was half-human so he is always shown as repressing his human side too much on the show But it sometimes fail from time to time which gives the viewers this failed hope that he will ultimately let go(but it never happens).

BTW there was an Illogical vulcan in the Movies series(The second film I think) He believed in the existence of God and traveled all over the universe to look for the Big G himself.

[Ki Adi Mundi]

Yes! Spock's half-brother, Syvock (I think). It was in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. He commandeered the Enterprise-A, and took it to the center of the galaxy, through The Great Barrier.

[Sovereign002]

Romulans are one of the more interesting races when it comes to wisdom. They kind of remind me of philosophers. They might not all be as "stiff" are they are shown in the various series, but that only adds to the variation of their race and only makes them even more intriguing.

It's a shame they became more of a lesser power as the Federation became stronger, especially technology wise.

[Crystal]

I was curious, does anyone know what the Hall of Ancient thought on Vulcan really is, or how Vulcan Katras exist in it when they are transferred? I've read quite a few Star Trek novels, and one or two of them made reference to it, but... I am still not really sure what it is.

About the best I was able to get was in a novelization of the "Search for Spock" movie, where Sarek told Kirk that if Spock's Katra could be brought to Vulcan and put in the Hall of Ancient Thought, he would live on, but it would not be like how he existed before. And when Kirk kept pressing and asking what it would be like, Sarek asked him if he would be willing to spend ten years of his life on Vulcan, learning Vulcan and studying hard, just to learn the answer to that question.

So... I would take that to mean that you'd have to understand Vulcans on their terms to really understand the Hall of Ancient Thought.

Although I think I read somewhere that supposedly the highly discliplined Vulcan Masters can mind-meld with the Katras.

So yeah... I'm a Vulcan geek, I guess, LOL. But anyway, what do you guys think? What is the Hall of Ancient Thought, and what is it like? >.>

[Junk Angel]

I've never really like the vulcans, detesting their coldness and removal from the "living" world.
One of the reasons I also hate the Aasimaar in dungeons and dragons. On top of that, I see their religion/cult whatever to be extremely dangerous. Sometimes logic goes strictly against morality, against common sense.
Imagine if it became logical to exterminate all the other races...

I've always prefered their emigrants, the romulans, just as tieflings .

[Crystal]

I still enjoy mentally comparing Vulcans to Jedi sometimes. It seems like they do have similar ideals, although Jedi at least allow themselves to laugh and smile, I believe. Vulcans often act like they would purge all emotion if they could.

[Hawkeye]

Vulcans are just tall elves.

[Ki Adi Mundi]

With no sense of humor.

[Hawkeye]

Nine Inch Nails says Kirk really loves Vulcans.....the dirty buggers!

Warning: "Nasty!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uxTpyCdriY

[JOtruba]

First off i did not manage to find myself general trek chat .O so sorry for disturbing you logical discussion.)
As far as vulkans goes (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Elf) (actually this links to Elf... BUT it is what you will get linked to if you search for them vulkans)
besides my friend dose not think that Tuvok is proper vulkan (hes black after all XD).

Annyways can you pointy ears logic lovers tell me : dose NX-01 look like predessestor to Akira Class? it have intended capacity about 50-60 ppl (crew compliment is 53 including porthos) and it looks alot like Akira ....well somwheat alike annyways its much closer than anny other earth vessel of that period that is for sure.

more thoughts about ENT series (i know i do not like it that much either but T'pol makes up for it at least partially)
* How come that They encountered Borg, Ferengi and than neglected to mention it in reports...
*why did not SF abused Vulkan fleet or their designs if they were so much superior...
not to mention Andorians (after creation of it)
*Where did Suliban vanish between ENT and TOS?
*what is with those refs to newgenics wars and while i am at the subject how could Earth impose ban to all genetical modifications (ref. to DS9 bashir reveal episode) if for instance Denobulans use it on almnost evryone
*Is not Raisa suposted to be an swap world that have been reclaimed via superrior techological skills of SF? (REF. DS9, ENT)
*what happened wtiht those emotive vulcans annywas (should have some followup no?) finnaly somone made them look more like real being not elves with poker face and semi-monks (OMFG once in seven years...)
*how come that ENT vulcans behave more like romulans .) (not that i object on the other hand i like romulans)
*if 22nd cetery is a battle front to temprar cold war and ENT is integral part of it why the hell did they kep being pulled to other times
*can somone tell me why the hell mirror universe ENT's intro PWNed the other one(unminor universe dunno how to put it propertly)?

.) i think i need general ST discussion sorry GMs if you can just point me to right direction of proper disgussion.

[Anlushac11]

Originally Posted by JOtruba

First off i did not manage to find myself general trek chat .O so sorry for disturbing you logical discussion.)
As far as vulkans goes (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Elf)
besides my friend dose not think that Tuvok is proper vulkan (hes black after all XD).

Anyways can you pointy ears logic lovers tell me : dose NX-01 look like predecessor to Akira Class? it have intended capacity about 50-60 ppl (crew compliment is 53 including porthos) and it looks alot like Akira ....well somewhat alike anyways its much closer than any other earth vessel of that period that is for sure.

The designs might seem similar but are not the same. The Akira class is 464 meters long while the NX-01 is 221 meters long. For reference the USS Enterprise from TOS is 289 meters long. The Akira is a gunship, torpedo boat, battlecruiser, and aircraft carrier all in one.

more thoughts about ENT series (i know i do not like it that much either but T'pol makes up for it at least partially)
* How come that They encountered Borg, Ferengi and than neglected to mention it in reports...

The crew did know who either race was. And it is also one of those Star Trek Universe storyline plotholes that ENT was so famous for.

Also, who is to say Federations Bureau 13 made infamous in DS9 doesnt have Borg or Ferengei technology in a 26th century Area 51?

*why did not SF abused Vulkan fleet or their designs if they were so much superior...

When the United Federation Of Planets was formed it seems they designed a Starship with input from several of the member states.

not to mention Andorians (after creation of it)[/quote]

As far as I know only the Vulcans got their own Constitution class ship, NCC-1631 USS Intrepid which was crewed by 400 Vulcans (TOS Eps: The Immunity Syndrome)

*Where did Suliban vanish between ENT and TOS?

The Suliban seemed to have not been causing problems after ENT and were not heard from again. If ENT had gone on to its planned next season the fate of the Suliban was supposed to have been revealed.

*what is with those refs to newgenics wars and while i am at the subject how could Earth impose ban to all genetical modifications (ref. to DS9 bashir reveal episode) if for instance Denobulans use it on almnost evryone

If you remember TOS episode "Space Seed" with Khan Noonian Singh, he was one of the most famous of the genetically enhanced supermen. The Augments wound up fighting each other and were defeated by their inability to work together. Khan wa able to escape earth on a modified DY-500 sleeper ship named the S.S. Botany Bay. It was due to all teh problems the Eugenics war caused that led to genetic modifications to be banned. But that was only on Earth. Other civilizations were not subject to Earth law. Denobulians were an example of what could be done if restraint were applied.

*Is not Raisa suposted to be an swap world that have been reclaimed via superrior techological skills of SF? (REF. DS9, ENT)

Risa the Pleasure planet was terraformed and stabilized by the Risians with a system of weather control satellites and seismic regulators.

*what happened wtiht those emotive vulcans annywas (should have some followup no?) finnaly somone made them look more like real being not elves with poker face and semi-monks (OMFG once in seven years...)
*how come that ENT vulcans behave more like romulans .) (not that i object on the other hand i like romulans)

There were still emotive Vulcans in Star trek 4 (Spocks brother for example?) and in ST:The Next Generation there was a Vulcan insurgent group trying to ressurect a ancient Vulcan mind weapon.

Vulcans are not without emotion. What ENT showed us is that Vulcans do have emotions but spend many many years of meditation and mental traning to supress their emotions til they can do it unconsciously. Remember in TOS episode where Kirk had to get Spock very angry to break the spell some plants pollen had put on him. In ST:TNG Picard was witness to Sarek crying at a performance because he was no longer able to keep his emotions in check.

Once upon a time when Vulcan was still a young race they were barbaric, bloodthirsty, and very violent. Surak led the Vulcans on the path of logic to help tame their wild ways to keep their race from destroying themselves. A separate group who decided not to follow logic left Vulcan to find their own way. Those that left eventually settled on a pair of planets orbiting a star . The planets were named Romulus and Remus. Those settlers became the Romulans. This is why they look the same. They are decendant from the same species.

I think the main reason tehy seem more emotional is that we did not see much of the Vulcans until ENT.

As for seven years I am guessing it was due to a movie starrimg Marilyn Monroe and was named "The Seven Year Itch". Th premise of the movie wa the lack of interestin a monogamous relationship after seven years. Vulcans were opposite in the need to consumate a monogamous relationship every seven years.

*if 22nd cetery is a battle front to temporal cold war and ENT is integral part of it why the hell did they kep being pulled to other times

More of ENT legendary timeline plot holes.

*can somone tell me why the hell mirror universe ENT's intro PWNed the other one(unminor universe dunno how to put it propertly)?

I dont know what you mean. If you are referring to why the Imperial Terran Empire was so dominant tehy had conquered a number of races such as the Andorians, the Vilcans, the Orions, the Tellurians, etc.

In TOS eps "Mirror Mirror" the mirror universe Spock became Chief Of State and eventually brought a number of reforms that made teh Terran Empire much more human and demilitarized. Unfortunately thats when the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance hit and defeated the Terran Empire. The Humans and Vulcans became slave laborers and were teh scum of the universe.

.) i think i need general ST discussion sorry GMs if you can just point me to right direction of proper disgussion.

[JOtruba]

First off thanks for reply i seem to be enjoying this chat .) now to answer you answeres (hopefully make it little more understandible)

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

The designs might seem similar but are not the same. The Akira class is 464 meters long while the NX-01 is 221 meters long. For reference the USS Enterprise from TOS is 289 meters long. The Akira is a gunship, torpedo boat, battlecruiser, and aircraft carrier all in one.

yes but it could be basically inspired by it (in same matter that are new beatle or min cooper inspired by the original cars... tho they got nothing in common)

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

The crew did know who either race was. And it is also one of those Star Trek Universe storyline plotholes that ENT was so famous for.

Agreed its a hole tho ferengi are not mentioned by name in the episode all their charakter traits remained unchanged hance it would be easy to tell that they are who they are (for TOS ppl)

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

Also, who is to say Federations Bureau 13 made infamous in DS9 doesnt have Borg or Ferengei technology in a 26th century Area 51?

Breau srry i mean:Bureau wha? (srry not that good at english) i will assume you mean covert / goverment forces or that section (not sure about number 64?) however given nature of this organisation it might make sense actually because usa dominated the world i would assume they would try to cover their unfair behavior from the past or present and hide anny potencionally dangerous or unexplainable things from public (tho it might be against storyline of ENT - the whole reason they started the expedition were wierd alien shot by some american farmer XD)

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

When the United Federation Of Planets was formed it seems they designed a Starship with input from several of the member states.

Let me be blunt "RP error please insert new audience" now little more serious (if i can restrain myself) still they would prolly use alike system as vulkans (as for the ... err propoltoin ring... basically round nacell XD) or if i were to answer that question myself .) it may be just coppy of Vulkan eninge on the inside wired to earth nacells (maybe its combination of all allied races tech) etc...

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

As far as I know only the Vulcans got their own Constitution class ship, NCC-1631 USS Intrepid which was crewed by 400 Vulcans (TOS Eps: The Immunity Syndrome)

ohh i lost track here .) (multiquoting and backtracking posts is not best thing i ever done).Annyways i prolly never seen that episode .O (or do not recall to... i seen TNG first tho but its more than 15 years since i started to watch ST and i were like 7 when i did XD)

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

The Suliban seemed to have not been causing problems after ENT and were not heard from again. If ENT had gone on to its planned next season the fate of the Suliban was supposed to have been revealed.

GR8 so you know of some place with unused scripts or at least some fan's place with scripts of their own? (such as stillflying for firefly)****AT! now you made me regret it were canceled (never got fed up of T'pol against Michel (trip) thingy XD)

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

If you remember TOS episode "Space Seed" with Khan Noonian Singh, he was one of the most famous of the genetically enhanced supermen. The Augments wound up fighting each other and were defeated by their inability to work together. Khan wa able to escape earth on a modified DY-500 sleeper ship named the S.S. Botany Bay. It was due to all teh problems the Eugenics war caused that led to genetic modifications to be banned. But that was only on Earth. Other civilizations were not subject to Earth law. Denobulians were an example of what could be done if restraint were applied.

I do not exactly (had not seen most of TOS .( )however i veaugly recall that kirk encountered this Kaaaaaan XD person and relocated the crew to some planet that were rough... in movie this planet were pushed out of its orbit and became desert that is all i know .) witrh exeption of Kaaans "revange" had somethign to do with terraforming thing (Klingons thought its a torpedo of mass destruction)and that spock died saving enterprise's ass) than some nosence about rerurection with wired child body and no memory

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

Risa the Pleasure planet was terraformed and stabilized by the Risians with a system of weather control satellites and seismic regulators.

Yes i knew that however... it dose not explain how did they got the terraforming things from federation before it existed... (somone mentioned in some of those episodes i sorta listed thetre i think... i belive its DS9's worf and Jadzia's vacation...

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

There were still emotive Vulcans in Star trek 4 (Spocks brother for example?) and in ST:The Next Generation there was a Vulcan insurgent group trying to ressurect a ancient Vulcan mind weapon.

oi do not recall spock's brother srry,but recall taht insurgence Picard quelled it because the weapon worked only on agresive ppl right? there were some sort of a god of balance also mentioned

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

Vulcans are not without emotion. What ENT showed us is that Vulcans do have emotions but spend many many years of meditation and mental traning to supress their emotions til they can do it unconsciously. Remember in TOS episode where Kirk had to get Spock very angry to break the spell some plants pollen had put on him. In ST:TNG Picard was witness to Sarek crying at a performance because he was no longer able to keep his emotions in check.

i belive that this is mentioned in ENT aswell (the diplomat woman who spied on some planet said that but than again she also smiled and behaved like human XD

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

Once upon a time when Vulcan was still a young race they were barbaric, bloodthirsty, and very violent. Surak led the Vulcans on the path of logic to help tame their wild ways to keep their race from destroying themselves. A separate group who decided not to follow logic left Vulcan to find their own way. Those that left eventually settled on a pair of planets orbiting a star . The planets were named Romulus and Remus. Those settlers became the Romulans. This is why they look the same. They are decendant from the same species.

i knew taht i am not yet that missinformed (but working on it) .) the point i am trying to make is that Romulans are basically emoptional vulcans (logical, calculating, secretive (as far as ENT ones goes) but still they got emotion atop that)

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

I think the main reason tehy seem more emotional is that we did not see much of the Vulcans until ENT.

Prolly i agree with this assesment .)

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

As for seven years I am guessing it was due to a movie starrimg Marilyn Monroe and was named "The Seven Year Itch". Th premise of the movie wa the lack of interestin a monogamous relationship after seven years. Vulcans were opposite in the need to consumate a monogamous relationship every seven years.

Never seen that movie but knowing usamericans poor choise of cultural refering i guess you might be right

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

More of ENT legendary timeline plot holes.

Who would have guessed? .)

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

I dont know what you mean. If you are referring to why the Imperial Terran Empire was so dominant tehy had conquered a number of races such as the Andorians, the Vilcans, the Orions, the Tellurians, etc.

ooki sory for not making it clear "Why dose the ENT alternate universe PWN the other one"?! XD the sound the images and the all spirit of it is just better if you pardon the squadron of ships at the end (ENT flying at tip or point or whatever its called when somone leads formation)

[/quote]
In TOS eps "Mirror Mirror" the mirror universe Spock became Chief Of State and eventually brought a number of reforms that made teh Terran Empire much more human and demilitarized. Unfortunately thats when the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance hit and defeated the Terran Empire. The Humans and Vulcans became slave laborers and were teh scum of the universe.[/quote]
again lost trak however it is fitting that human alliance is scum of universe .)
BTW i do not get it why do writers make tese episodes why not just keep it in same time? You are writion about spaceship in space doing resarch you fools!!! flak the past and alternate universe or baseball episodes ! if you lack fantasy than read some paper from scientist .) (usualy peaks my imagination)


i wanted to add some bright stupid question or commment but i forgot if i remember ill ed this post .)
annyways thanks again for clearing thing for me hopr i did good job with making myself little more clear aswell

(i warned you - 5 min after i posted it originnaly i present) ad.: sectin(64?! or something) it would be nice if somone actually bothered with it... i men it has a potencial... i myself would make it as there were originally 100 covert organisations estabilished by first SF president's direct intervence in order to gather inteligence and sabotage hostile forces this one (Gotta find that stupid number) is just least carefull/most agressive/biggest/last one (destroyed all other) .)

[Anlushac11]

I am sick to death of Star Trek's over use of Time Travel and now we have the new Star Trek movie coming in May...AND IT FEATURES TIME TRAVEL AS A MAJOR PLOT POINT!!!


AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are the writers so inept that they cant do a show unless it involves time travel?

Show us more on the Gorns, the Tholians, add in some of the races from the Star trek animated series like the Kzinti, the Vedala, and the Catian's (Who were also seen in ST:IV)

The Animated series is now considered canon by most due to ST:TNG, DS9, Voyager, and ENT making reference to a number of items and places from the animated series.

ST:TAS was also the first reference to James T. Kirk's middle name of Tiberius.